N. Korea says it won’t denuclearize unless US removes threat

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North Korea said Thursday it will never unilaterally give up its nuclear weapons unless the United States first removes what Pyongyang called a nuclear threat. The surprisingly blunt statement jars with Seoul’s rosier presentation of the North Korean position and could rattle the fragile trilateral diplomacy to defuse a nuclear crisis that last year had many fearing war.
In Thursday’s statement, the North made clear it’s sticking to its traditional stance on denuclearization. It accused Washington of twisting what had been agreed on in Singapore and driving post-summit talks into an impasse.

“The United States must now recognize the accurate meaning of the denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula, and especially, must study geography,” the statement said.

“When we talk about the Korean Peninsula, it includes the territory of our republic and also the entire region of (South Korea) where the United States has placed its invasive force, including nuclear weapons. When we talk about the denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula, it means the removal of all sources of nuclear threat, not only from the South and North but also from areas neighboring the Korean Peninsula,” the statement said.
“The blunt statement could be an indicator that the North has no intentions to return to the negotiation table anytime soon,” said Shin Beomchul, a senior analyst at Seoul’s Asan Institute for Policy Studies. “It’s clear that the North intends to keep its nukes and turn the diplomatic process into a bilateral arms reduction negotiation with the United States, rather than a process where it unilaterally surrenders its program.”
If we unilaterally give up our nuclear weapons without any security assurance despite being first on the U.S. list of targets for pre-emptive nuclear strikes, that wouldn’t be denuclearization — it would rather be a creation of a defenseless state where the balance in nuclear strategic strength is destroyed and the crisis of a nuclear war is brought forth,” the KCNA said.

“The corresponding measures we have asked the United States to take aren’t difficult for the United States to commit to and carry out. We are just asking the United States to put an end to its hostile policies (on North Korea) and remove the unjust sanctions, things it can do even without a snap of a finger.”

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South Korea wants to hold smaller joint military drills with the United States next year, the defense ministry said on Thursday, scaling back larger exercises as part of an effort to boost nuclear diplomacy with North Korea.
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Thu Dec 20, 2018 8:19 pm

North Korea's economy is reaching its limits amid crippling international sanctions. The Asan Institute for Policy Studies on Wednesday said that North Korea's economy is expected to crack "sooner than expected."

North Korea's imports plunged 40 percent and its exports 90 percent this year. The UN Conference on Trade and Development estimates foreign direct investment in North Korea in 2017 stood at US$63 million, down 32 percent compared to 2016. But rather than tightening its belt, Pyongyang boosted imports of daily necessities and smuggled in more oil.

The institute said North Korea resorted to these measures "to stabilize its internal economy," allowing open-air markets to stay open, while black-market exchange rates and prices of daily necessities remained stable.

The North was apparently expecting sanctions to be eased much sooner once it started nuclear negotiations with the U.S. But the policy is unsustainable because the North's current account balance and foreign currency reserves will deteriorate exponentially.

The institute said it will take "considerable time" for sanctions to be eased even if Washington and Pyongyang reach some sort of agreement in denuclearization talks.
Meanwhile, Statistics Korea said North Korea's economy shrank 3.5 percent last year, its worst performance since 1997, when it shrank 6.5 percent. South Korea's economy grew 3.1 percent in 2017, increasing the difference between the two to 43 times, up from 11 times in 1990.

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Thu Dec 20, 2018 8:32 pm

krzepice1976 wrote:
Thu Dec 20, 2018 8:15 pm
North Korea said Thursday it will never unilaterally give up its nuclear weapons unless the United States first removes what Pyongyang called a nuclear threat.

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“When we talk about the Korean Peninsula, it includes the territory of our republic and also the entire region of (South Korea) where the United States has placed its invasive force, including nuclear weapons. When we talk about the denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula, it means the removal of all sources of nuclear threat, not only from the South and North but also from areas neighboring the Korean Peninsula,” the statement said.
That isn't going to happen. NK is demanding that SK and Japan be undefended. The US isn't going to do that.

So what we are looking at is that NK isn't going to give up their weapons because the conditions they put will never be met.

I'm not addressing the moral argument or the "fairness". I'm only talking about the cold, analytical part.

What will happen now? Nothing. Not until NK overtly begins progressing on their nuclear programme. Right now it's all clandestine. (Mostly anyway) So nothing will happen. When major, open progress is made, we're going to get very busy around here.

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DEFCONWarningSystem wrote:
Thu Dec 20, 2018 8:32 pm
krzepice1976 wrote:
Thu Dec 20, 2018 8:15 pm
North Korea said Thursday it will never unilaterally give up its nuclear weapons unless the United States first removes what Pyongyang called a nuclear threat.

<snip>

“When we talk about the Korean Peninsula, it includes the territory of our republic and also the entire region of (South Korea) where the United States has placed its invasive force, including nuclear weapons. When we talk about the denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula, it means the removal of all sources of nuclear threat, not only from the South and North but also from areas neighboring the Korean Peninsula,” the statement said.
That isn't going to happen. NK is demanding that SK and Japan be undefended. The US isn't going to do that.

So what we are looking at is that NK isn't going to give up their weapons because the conditions they put will never be met.

I'm not addressing the moral argument or the "fairness". I'm only talking about the cold, analytical part.

What will happen now? Nothing. Not until NK overtly begins progressing on their nuclear programme. Right now it's all clandestine. (Mostly anyway) So nothing will happen. When major, open progress is made, we're going to get very busy around here.
We know they have multi-stage thermonuclear technology and the missile technology to deliver it. How much more major open progress do we need to know about?
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We know they have multi-stage thermonuclear technology and the missile technology to deliver it. How much more major open progress do we need to know about?
Probably a mushroom cloud. Lots of people with their head in the sand.

But it comes down to China. The US goes in and China attacks. Does the US have the fortitude to stop China? They didn't the last time. They could have, but they didn't.

If the US goes into NK, it better be a quick, strong, devastating attack that completely catches China off guard. Without that, it will get messy.

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Sun Dec 23, 2018 5:14 pm

Well the US has the power to 100 percent end the DPRK government in less than a hour with the amount of cruise missiles and bunker buster missiles that can be fitted on subs and stealth bombers. DPRK may have better tech in its nuclear arsenal but don't think they have the capability to have them or most of them ready to launch in less than mins which would be needed in a quick pow-wow by incoming US bomb raid. Only could see DPRK having just a few missiles ready to hit like Tokyo or Guam. But sure US has intel on exactly where all the active deployed missile sites are.

I would be shocked if US dose not have a plan to cut DPRK down in a instant, such as having subs and other assets just near enough DPRK all the time to launch on order to end any conflict quickly.
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The Donald Trump administration recently set a practical deadline by which it will determine whether Washington can continue to seek nuclear talks with Pyongyang, it been reported. The South Korean government also shares the understanding with the Trump administration, and is sending messages behind the scene to the North to urge Pyongyang to return to the negotiating table after the release of North Korean leader Kim Jong Un’s New Year’s Message on January 1.

Multiple sources in the South Korean government revealed the mood in Washington on Sunday, saying, “Washington has had a quite negative assessment of North Korea’s National Defense Committee Chairman Kim Jong Un, but has barely shifted its stance recently and decided to seek dialogue for the last time.”

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Mon Dec 24, 2018 1:45 am

So...a deadline?

I wonder what the consequences will be if it is missed.

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