Russian General Thread, 10-12-16

Reports on current military activity
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Fri Oct 14, 2016 3:20 am

It's not about Syria. It's about power and control. Always has been.

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Fri Oct 14, 2016 3:26 am

Still hoping cool heads will prevail, but I think that the US needs prepare the military and the public for war at this point, even though in my opinion we've waited WAY too long. Although we can't really do much because of Obama, who's soon to be a lame duck.
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Fri Oct 14, 2016 4:27 am

Is it possible that something happened that we don't know about? Such as the Arctic event awhile back or the event over Syria?
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Fri Oct 14, 2016 5:44 am

"Pacific Fleet Marines started preparing for capturing and defending seashore in Primorye ... In total, about 800 military servicemen and more than 50 pieces of the combat and special hardware, 10 warships and vessels, military transport and army aviation helicopters will be involved in the exercise."
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Fri Oct 14, 2016 5:56 am

“The main priority now is to resume cooperation with our American partners because Russia and the US hold the key to any solution to the Syrian crisis. The fact that Moscow and Washington managed to set aside their serious disagreements and return to the negotiating table is a very good sign,” Sotnikov said.

Read more: https://sputniknews.com/russia/20161013 ... -us-talks/

Lets hope its constructive and and not destructive. 8-) I
Felt this needed it's own forum for the talks only if this is not correct please move to the appropriate forum.

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Fri Oct 14, 2016 5:57 am

I was a career Emergency Actions Controller from 1979-1991 in SAC, USAFE and USEUCOM (so essentially during the latter stages of the Cold War)...It was never this bad! We knew back then most of the posturing by the Russians would be followed by a fall back or reduction in rhetoric or a Russian leader would "catch a cold" and die in office...not this time! With a Russian Government led by Putin who not only despises President Obama but appears to feel that the US is ripe for a 1st strike that Obama would take in order to pursue diplomacy even after the US absorbs a 1st strike!

My greatest concerns are the following:

Putin seems determined to humiliate Obama before he leaves office!
The Russians are essentially preparing in "plain sight"
The Russians are flying "collection missions" to update UK/US/NATO responses to their airspace incursions.
The recent hacking at Creech AFB may have been of Russian origin, if true given the nature of that network, this would constitute a preemptive strike!
Their is a recklessness by Russia I don't recall during the latter stages of the Cold War!
Obama's non response or Laissez Faire attitude puts the US at greater risk of a 1st strike because Putin views no response to his provocative actions as weakness or disrespect!
Putin openly preparing the Russian people for the possibility of Nuclear War which he seems to think is now thinkable!

Signs are being missed with all eyes on the US elections. By that I mean, Putin and Russia are very active moving his chess pieces around the board, prepositioning equipment, forming alliances such as China, courting the Philippine President, sending advanced missile batteries to Syria and most importantly "openly stating" that nuclear capable missiles are being deployed opposite NATO and Western Europe and again, no response from the Whitehouse or Pentagon???

Europe and NATO has its own version of the Cuban missile crisis and no one is talking about it or responding to it! The American media has been totally asleep!

Allowing Iran to distract and orchestrate attacks on US naval forces all while advanced S-300 missile system is delivered to Iran and nothing from the White House, Senate or Congress?

I can't quite put my finger on it but something, perhaps behind the scenes has pushed Putin off the rails?

Post election if HRC wins very dangerous time for US populace...I hope I'm wrong!

And then there's North Korea the ever present wild card!

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Fri Oct 14, 2016 6:05 am

Predicting either Russia or US to storm out of talks, and blame each other.
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Fri Oct 14, 2016 10:43 am

This meeting really hinges on what Obama authorizes or does not authorize in his meetings today. His options are pretty vast. He will be deciding on taking a tough stance and authorize direct military strikes against Assad radar, SAM, AA, and airforce bases as well as government targets in Damascus. That's the hard nosed side he will be weighing. The other end of the spectrum he could decide to authorize would be increased aid to civilians and more aid and arming of "moderate" "rebels". If Obama chooses the latter, we will see this current flap subside a bit.

Even if we decide to go with the rebels and not authorize direct military engagement with Assad, we aren't out of the woods entirely. Even if we hammer out a deal on Saturday with Russia, still not out of the woods. With the arrival of the Russia aircraft carrier, deployment of S300 systems... it just adds more, and more serious, hardware to the mix. Even if an agreement is reached, we're still looking at a situation where more hardware, more soldiers, and more assets are in theater. This increases the chance of mishaps.

Even with an agreement, a single accidental Russian shoot down of an American air asset where the pilot gets captured and beheaded by ISIS or something... that's a real possibility. It's crazy sounding, but in that region, it's a real possibility.

Also, in the event of an agreement of cooperation between Russia and the US, it's going to be shaky at best. Any small offense could shatter the agreement. And with all the assets in theater, a mishap could spiral in a short period of time.

In any event, I really do feel if there is any major escalation we're going to see a lot of signs before it becomes dangerous in CONUS, in the event of a conflict. It will start there and we will be able to tell the direction it's headed based on public rhetoric from both sides.

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Fri Oct 14, 2016 12:42 pm

BBC News is reporting that Quick Reaction Alert Typhoon aircraft from RAF Lossiemouth intercepted 2 Russian aircraft on Wednesday evening and escorted them. The BBC reporter (Daniel Sanford) also went on to say that "While they were in the UK area of interest, the Russian aircraft did not enter UK territorial airspace."

https://twitter.com/BBCDanielS/status/7 ... 5176637440

FWIW, I have not seen any additional information on this claim from other news organizations.

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Fri Oct 14, 2016 2:50 pm

TheArtist wrote:This meeting really hinges on what Obama authorizes or does not authorize in his meetings today. His options are pretty vast. He will be deciding on taking a tough stance and authorize direct military strikes against Assad radar, SAM, AA, and airforce bases as well as government targets in Damascus. That's the hard nosed side he will be weighing. The other end of the spectrum he could decide to authorize would be increased aid to civilians and more aid and arming of "moderate" "rebels". If Obama chooses the latter, we will see this current flap subside a bit.

Even if we decide to go with the rebels and not authorize direct military engagement with Assad, we aren't out of the woods entirely. Even if we hammer out a deal on Saturday with Russia, still not out of the woods. With the arrival of the Russia aircraft carrier, deployment of S300 systems... it just adds more, and more serious, hardware to the mix. Even if an agreement is reached, we're still looking at a situation where more hardware, more soldiers, and more assets are in theater. This increases the chance of mishaps.

Even with an agreement, a single accidental Russian shoot down of an American air asset where the pilot gets captured and beheaded by ISIS or something... that's a real possibility. It's crazy sounding, but in that region, it's a real possibility.

Also, in the event of an agreement of cooperation between Russia and the US, it's going to be shaky at best. Any small offense could shatter the agreement. And with all the assets in theater, a mishap could spiral in a short period of time.

In any event, I really do feel if there is any major escalation we're going to see a lot of signs before it becomes dangerous in CONUS, in the event of a conflict. It will start there and we will be able to tell the direction it's headed based on public rhetoric from both sides.
Definitely, it's going to depend on what Obama decides to do. And even if we don't do anything (which wouldn't be surprising), we're still in a bad spot diplomatically speaking.
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