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Fox news just tweeted Turkey Shoots down Russian Jet near Syrian Border. 5:00 am

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Tue Nov 24, 2015 10:14 am

Two Turkish F-16s shotdown Russian SU24 violated Turkish airspace, unclear which side of the border it actually crashed on. Turkey. Has captured pilots

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God search NATO on twitter...


WW3 won't happen because of this. Maybe a little standoff. But nothing huge.

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Tue Nov 24, 2015 10:28 am

Could this be considered an act of war?


Also... with Turkey shooting down Russian jet.... Turkey is part of NATO... so could this mean article 5 Is automatically activated as Turkey engaged Russian Jet?

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Tue Nov 24, 2015 10:31 am

Yes it's considered an act of war.

How either side responds is in the air.
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Tue Nov 24, 2015 10:32 am

matty1053 wrote:God search NATO on twitter...

WW3 won't happen because of this. Maybe a little standoff. But nothing huge.
It's yet another escalation of the cold war we're in though... it may not trigger a hot war but we certainly couldn't use more escalation.
matty1053 wrote:Could this be considered an act of war?

Also... with Turkey shooting down Russian jet.... Turkey is part of NATO... so could this mean article 5 Is automatically activated as Turkey engaged Russian Jet?
It all depends on how Russia responds - my understanding is that if Russia presents this 'evidence' they supposedly have that says the plane never entered Turkish airspace, then Turkey is considered the aggressor and thus a declaration of war from Russia wouldn't automatically trigger the alliances. NATO members could still join in the war, but they wouldn't be obliged to. If Russia declared war and the plane was in Turkish airspace, then Russia would be considered the aggressor and NATO would defend.

Of course, the more likely outcome is that the situation is solved politically.

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Tue Nov 24, 2015 10:37 am

Remove Turkey from NATO. Let them burn in hell by their own fire.
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Hi all,

Long time lurker first time poster :D

Today's developments are of course concerning but at the same time I agree that this incident is highly unlikely to lead to a hot war.

What I find most interesting is the Russians position of how this jet was brought down from the ground rather than an air to air missile.

Looking at that assertion it seems the Russians are trying to get away from a stand off with Turkey over this and the Turkish authorities should take this on board.

It's not the first time this sort of incident has happened by any means and I doubt it will be the last either.

Was always likely to happen and I personally have been monitoring news outlets for exactly this.

One things for sure Putin will be very angry but perhaps more with his own military than the Turks as this is a most unwelcome development at a time when the Russians appear to be trying to ease relations with the west.

President Hollandes "week of diplomacy" just got a whole lot more complicated as well.

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Tue Nov 24, 2015 10:40 am

Oswald wrote:Its hard to say exactly what will happen here. Russia will need to save face in front of its own citizens.
Too late for a cover up.

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