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Sun Oct 29, 2017 10:53 pm

0x0 wrote:
Sun Oct 29, 2017 10:46 pm
"Upshot » Sun Oct 29, 2017 4:26 pm
Even a huge- multi-megaton- detonation is going to cause some damage. ..."

VERY well said.
Agreed. Thank you for all that info. Any chance you could put it together in a formal article format and submit it to us?
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Mon Oct 30, 2017 12:10 am

Design issues for DPRK not starting at begining because Russia informed us a decade ago DORK "accidentally" got access to their EMP design.
EMP do not have to be large nuke if designed right 10-15 it is sufficient. Tritium is the deciding ingredient to tweeting a nuke for higher gamma ray burst.
And they are lighter because in buliding one the casing is thinner and lighter so that the first gamma ray burst which is the one that interacts with the ionosphere and causes the most damage is helped by thinner case.

No Air burst over continental US were ever high enough to generate an EMP threw the ionosphere.
Starfish prime was conducted in South Pacific detonated in space. Shorted tubes style radios. (not micro circuits) in Hawaii, which was close to 1000 mil north. That was on accident.
300 k is ideal altitude.
This is from one of the members on the EMP commission.
Russia orbital test over Siberia did fry transformers at a power plant and melted power lines several hundred miles away buried six feet in the ground.
Currently all large transformers used at power plants in US are all made in china and have 12 to 18 month lead time.

I still maintain it is a hugh unknown. We can't bet the farm that is will be worst case scenario. Cars won't quit on the side of road and phones won't be hurt but the interruption of power will shut down cell towers and most computer systems for however long. To ignore it would be equally as foolish. At a personal level not much to be done except have supplies though.

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Mon Oct 30, 2017 12:29 am

Upshot wrote:
Sun Oct 29, 2017 9:26 pm
some stuff
wall o text mate, ya should give us a tl;dr
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Mon Oct 30, 2017 1:01 am

RiffRaff wrote:
Sun Oct 29, 2017 10:53 pm
0x0 wrote:
Sun Oct 29, 2017 10:46 pm
"Upshot » Sun Oct 29, 2017 4:26 pm
Even a huge- multi-megaton- detonation is going to cause some damage. ..."

VERY well said.
Agreed. Thank you for all that info. Any chance you could put it together in a formal article format and submit it to us?
I second that. We didn't post the OP article because we believed it. We are simply presenting an opinion on the subject. We would be more than happy to post a counter-position.

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Mon Oct 30, 2017 1:59 am

Counter position: All of the Soviet high altitude tests were conducted over populated, industrialised area's. The observed effects were scattershot, and scarcely devastating.
Counter position: The Starfish series were detonated over Johnstone island. Nothing happened. The lights stayed on, the computers didn't fail, and the launches continued. The big damaged occurred when a Thor blew up on the pad. The EMP effects in Hawaii were not devastating, and erratic, again.
Counter position: Sandia and LLRL couldn't make it work. If those guys can't get it to happen, how are the Norks going to manage with the church-mouse scale program they're running? They are starving the entire country to death to get what they have out. I see a political program, not a military or scientific program.
Counter Position: Militarily, for the DPRK, wasting extremely limited and priceless resources on dubious soft-kill technologies makes no sense at all. They want hard kill, with lots of dead 'muricans to show for it.
Counter-position: Where are all the tests? There aren't any. All of this kind of research is going to require a lot of nuclear tests.
Counter-position: When discussing EMP effects on modern solid-state systems, the 'expert' is literally guessing. He is pulling it out of his ass, and conflating it with hollywood fantasy. The research has not been conducted in a systemic way. When tests with nuclear bombs are performed, the results are not what the brainacs are expecting.
Counter-position: Modern electronics are more robust than people think. The modern communication nets, the electronics, the WWW, all came out of research funded by DARPA on systems that could survive in a nuclear environment.
Counter-position: Everybody forgets about inverse-square law.
Counter position: Big mystery breakthrough. Those don't come from authoritarian states. Russia and China went exactly nowhere with big science unless they stole the theoretic's, or bought it. When ever the soviets or chinese went after some big breakthrough, or went for a quantitative leap, they blew it, badly. Wasted 50 years on paranormal mumble, or socialist agricultural theory, or back-yard steel production. They got potemkin villages, EURT's, russian submarines, famine, MiG-23's, N-1's, T-64's. Any of the big soviet brains that could think, usually ended up busting rocks in a gulag because they could think.
People that can think are a menace to an authoritarian system, hence the emphasis on 'soviet', marxist or Maoist 'correct thought.' Net result: lots of time and effort put into chasing bogons, no breakthroughs. Somebody else has to do the hard stuff for them first.
(Of course, we're getting into the same corner with the dumbing down program instituted by the marxist-libprog- demolitioncrats...)

And, I should have said- it will take a large bomb to produce some damage, viz: high altitude EMP blahblah.
By any rational measure, this mythological DPRK, Chinese or Russian EMP bomb is vapourware. It's Nibiru, flat-earth science.
Nuff said. Wasting any more time on this is just silly.
Sometimes, the only rational choice is a head shot.

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Mon Oct 30, 2017 7:53 am

I'll gladly concede I'm wrong if it's tried and your right:)

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Wed Jan 17, 2018 12:43 am

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Sat Oct 28, 2017 2:53 pm
I don't think an EMP would be a stand alone attack, but rather the precursor to invasion. The effects of the weapon grid are debatable, ranging anywhere from annoying to catastrophic. Since we haven't done a high altitude "fry the grid" test before, we don't really know what one will do, but we do know that it'll take quite the payload. So any old nuke in the atmosphere won't suffice. On another note, one of NK's tests were so high up, that our THAAD wouldn't be able to knock it down. That's reassuring.

Our DoD is running a black out drill the same day as Antifa's "overthrow the government" crybaby movement begins.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-2 ... s-november
It would likely be a precursor to something - but CONUS being invaded by the NORKs doesn't make my "Top 100,000 Things I Lose Sleep Over" list.

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Herr Barnack wrote:
Wed Jan 17, 2018 12:43 am
ThunderStealer wrote:
Sat Oct 28, 2017 2:53 pm
I don't think an EMP would be a stand alone attack, but rather the precursor to invasion. The effects of the weapon grid are debatable, ranging anywhere from annoying to catastrophic. Since we haven't done a high altitude "fry the grid" test before, we don't really know what one will do, but we do know that it'll take quite the payload. So any old nuke in the atmosphere won't suffice. On another note, one of NK's tests were so high up, that our THAAD wouldn't be able to knock it down. That's reassuring.

Our DoD is running a black out drill the same day as Antifa's "overthrow the government" crybaby movement begins.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-2 ... s-november
It would likely be a precursor to something - but CONUS being invaded by the NORKs doesn't make my "Top 100,000 Things I Lose Sleep Over" list.
Mine neither. The bulk of any war with DPRK will occur on the Korean peninsula, with the exception of any ICBMs that might possibly survive to impact US territory.
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Fri Feb 02, 2018 6:06 am

Oh come on guys, have you never seen Red Dawn? The NORKS always get in with China and Russia's main attack.

Nuke war strategy is to detonate a nuke or two high over the areas to try and cause a blackout first. Then the kill shots rain in.

That is why, if your ever driving and everyone's cars just go dead, its time to stop your vehicle as fast as you can, close your eyes, bend over and kiss your ass goodbye. Or say CHEEESE and wait for the flash.

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Fri Feb 02, 2018 9:52 am

rudemarine wrote:
Fri Feb 02, 2018 6:06 am
Oh come on guys, have you never seen Red Dawn? The NORKS always get in with China and Russia's main attack.

Nuke war strategy is to detonate a nuke or two high over the areas to try and cause a blackout first. Then the kill shots rain in.

That is why, if your ever driving and everyone's cars just go dead, its time to stop your vehicle as fast as you can, close your eyes, bend over and kiss your ass goodbye. Or say CHEEESE and wait for the flash.
That is one *possible* strategy out of hundreds. And I tend not to base my assessment of real world geopolitics on Hollywood's fantasies.
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