What is your personal "DEFCON Level"?

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Fri Dec 01, 2017 8:43 pm

Now that the news of North Korea's latest missile launch has settled down and the world hasn't gone to war, it's time to ask this question:

Our DEFCON Level is currently (as of this writing) Green, 5.

What is your personal DEFCON Level?

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Fri Dec 01, 2017 9:05 pm

The challenge is that we are not getting sufficient information from our actual representatives, and we have an ingrained history of denial of literally decades of ignoring the threat. So we shouldn't have to come here to his private site to get a sense of our safety, but this is what it has come to. Unfortunately, our so-called "experts" have also been wrong many, many times.

The so-called "experts" were writing 6 months ago that North Korea only had a 25 kiloton nuclear capability, when in September it was shown they have 250 kiloton nuclear bombs. The so-called "experts" were stating 6 months ago that North Korea only had the missile capability to reach 3,000 miles, when they can reach 8,100 miles. The so-called "experts" were telling Newsweek's Nina Burleigh 3 months ago that North Korea's missile capability was a "hoax," and on August 11, Newsweek actually reported that the North Korea missile threat was a complete "hoax." Now we have the New York Times and many others, saying we just need to "get used" to a nuclear North Korea that has repeatedly threatened pre-emptive attacks on major cities in the U.S. The frustrated American public are not really frustrated over "politics," but over the lack of concern about the safety of the American people.

So without any confident and consistent leadership, it is every family and every person for themselves, having to try to make sense of what the threat level is. One thing that most people inherently do NOT believe is that there is "no threat." A lot of people are personally at DEFCON 3, and they are not confident there is enough planning or warning, that we could slip from DEFCON 3 to DEFCON 2 without much warning.
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Fri Dec 01, 2017 9:05 pm

I think it's happening this month. NK has publicly crossed the line into having missiles that reach the US. The U.S. can not wait until it crosses the next line, where it has nuclear warheads on these ICBM's, if they don't already. It will be the first direct war with a nuclear power, but I don't know how nuclear it will be, and if it is, it will be the U.S. using small tactical nukes to take out the batteries or upper atmosphere/outer space nuclear detonations to take out all electronics with the massive EMP blast, and operational NK nukes will be obliterated by conventional and other weapons. We will see weapons never used before: something like EMP artillery, or rail gun ordinance perhaps, or conventional nuclear weapons in space.

I'm taking the cancelled Trump visit to Britain as a sign that he will be too busy next month with this more pressing issue... It was not about his tweeting.

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Fri Dec 01, 2017 9:20 pm

I voted for Red just too see if id be the first one to vote for it (i was). I'm normally always in agreement with what the DWS system switches too (when i first started i always disagreed) but as ive been here longer and longer, ive discovered that the DWS sources seem to be reliable. So ive come to trust what the DWS system puts on their site. That doesnt mean im not prepared though. Ive got a bug out bag, and in the case i am unable to bug out, ive got a stash of supplies in my basement, and im always stocking up on ammo.
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Fri Dec 01, 2017 9:27 pm

I'm not quite ready to accept a nuclear-armed North Korea as the "new normal" just yet. If they attain a fully functional nuclear-tipped ICBM capable of hitting all of CONUS and they go for a year or so without actually doing so or without committing nuclear extortion against another country, I might be able to go that route. But as of now, my personal DEFCON is a solid 4, with my top concern still being North Korea.

That being said, I still agree with our decision to drop the public level to 5, because I know I tend to run a little bit more paranoid than most. I try to compensate for that.
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Fri Dec 01, 2017 9:30 pm

DirtyDevil69 wrote:
Fri Dec 01, 2017 9:20 pm
I voted for Red just too see if id be the first one to vote for it (i was). I'm normally always in agreement with what the DWS system switches too (when i first started i always disagreed) but as ive been here longer and longer, ive discovered that the DWS sources seem to be reliable. So ive come to trust what the DWS system puts on their site. That doesnt mean im not prepared though. Ive got a bug out bag, and in the case i am unable to bug out, ive got a stash of supplies in my basement, and im always stocking up on ammo.
Question - so do you actually believe it is DEFCON 1 or what is your actual view for the poll?

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Fri Dec 01, 2017 9:32 pm

DirtyDevil69 wrote:
Fri Dec 01, 2017 9:20 pm
I voted for Red just too see if id be the first one to vote for it (i was). I'm normally always in agreement with what the DWS system switches too (when i first started i always disagreed) but as ive been here longer and longer, ive discovered that the DWS sources seem to be reliable. So ive come to trust what the DWS system puts on their site. That doesnt mean im not prepared though. Ive got a bug out bag, and in the case i am unable to bug out, ive got a stash of supplies in my basement, and im always stocking up on ammo.
And that is what it really boils down to, really. Those who wait until we hit DEFCON 2 to start preparing might as well just go set up some lawn chairs and umbrellas at ground zero of primary targets, because it's too late. Even at DEFCON 5, there still exists the possibility of a nuclear war with no prior warning due to human or computer error. Until the damn things are taken off LOW alert, we are at any given moment 30 minutes away from a nuclear attack because accidents happen. Proper preparation takes years to achieve.
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Fri Dec 01, 2017 9:38 pm

REALHumanRights wrote:
Fri Dec 01, 2017 9:30 pm
DirtyDevil69 wrote:
Fri Dec 01, 2017 9:20 pm
I voted for Red just too see if id be the first one to vote for it (i was). I'm normally always in agreement with what the DWS system switches too (when i first started i always disagreed) but as ive been here longer and longer, ive discovered that the DWS sources seem to be reliable. So ive come to trust what the DWS system puts on their site. That doesnt mean im not prepared though. Ive got a bug out bag, and in the case i am unable to bug out, ive got a stash of supplies in my basement, and im always stocking up on ammo.
Question - so do you actually believe it is DEFCON 1 or what is your actual view for the poll?
The Defcon 1 thing was me messing around. I believe personally we should be at 4, just because of what is happening and from what Intel i have myself. My sources come from the Naval and Air side of things within the US. The DWS staff i trust have more sources ranging from civilian to military than i do, including sources that may be located in the hot zones (China, SK, Japan, Etc.) I believe the DWS just downgraded back to 5 though, and if they keep jumping back and forth between 3-5 they will start too look unreliable.

So to answer your question, i think we should be at 4, at least until North Korea is completely dealt with, whether it be Military action, diplomatic action, or everything in between.


Let me make it clear. I voted 1 for the joke. That is not my position.
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Fri Dec 01, 2017 9:45 pm

RiffRaff wrote:
Fri Dec 01, 2017 9:27 pm
I'm not quite ready to accept a nuclear-armed North Korea as the "new normal" just yet. If they attain a fully functional nuclear-tipped ICBM capable of hitting all of CONUS and they go for a year or so without actually doing so or without committing nuclear extortion against another country, I might be able to go that route. But as of now, my personal DEFCON is a solid 4, with my top concern still being North Korea.

That being said, I still agree with our decision to drop the public level to 5, because I know I tend to run a little bit more paranoid than most. I try to compensate for that.
Thank you very much for the work on this site.
One question - what is the logic on your view on the threat level, however? That is, what would it take to escalate the threat level, if it isn't now? Because I don't view this as exclusively a challenge from North Korea, and I believe the threat be escalated no matter which enemy or heavily extremist country developed such ICBMs.
For example, Pakistan has 120 nuclear warheads, and is our "ally," despite its inherent instability and extremism. Last weekend's surrender by the Pakistan government and Army to demands of extremists is a perfect example of its instability.
But if Pakistan was also testing ICBMs that could reach the U.S. Eastern Coast, I am certain we would be having at LEAST the same discussion about U.S. defense condition that we are having about North Korea. The government of North Korea was literally at war with the U.S., has publicly stated it won't abide by its Armistice Agreement since 1994, and has regularly threatened pre-emptive nuclear strikes on the U.S. I am not sure I understand how that would not justify an elevated threat risk.

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Fri Dec 01, 2017 10:00 pm

RiffRaff wrote:
Fri Dec 01, 2017 9:32 pm
Until the damn things are taken off LOW alert, we are at any given moment 30 minutes away from a nuclear attack because accidents happen. Proper preparation takes years to achieve.
Absolutely agree. But by WHO? That is the real problem. No alert levels - we end up with this - chaos in preparedness. What happens if we are attacked? People won't be prepared. Only the very smallest percentage, literally infinitesimal will have any preparedness.

As you recall, part of DHS was set up to have alert levels for the public, which is now gone. So without any type of alert system, it boils down to whoever's opinion happens to be listened to that day by any random individual. The DHS Homeland Security Advisory System (HSAS) alert level system was imperfect at best, but its replacement....National Terrorism Advisory System (NTAS) basically says nothing and communicates nothing. NTAS creates bulletins that no one see and no one knows. Anyone goes to the DHS.gov site, they will see a page "Happy Shopping." Seriously. No alert information, nothing. How many billions of dollars did the U.S. taxpayers spend to create a DHS to keep us informed? And no offense, we are here, on a private website (thank you), and a handful of us talking about what our alert level should be, while we are paying untold millions of dollars to people who are supposed to keep us informed. What a disgrace for America.

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