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Re: Knife Attack At Music Festival In Oberhausen, Germany

Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2016 12:47 am
by Zanting
Worldwatcher wrote:It's easier said then done I'm afraid, and terrorists can come from ALL facets of society.
That itself is not an argument to not seek societal optimization & preservation though, mental illness obviously decreases if root causes of it are eliminated or lessened, social cohesion & health used to be referred to as common sense. Crime & terrorism do not just happen without reason, there are many causes, again this is merely common sense.

Re: Knife Attack At Music Festival In Oberhausen, Germany

Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2016 1:04 am
by jayfeather31
Zanting wrote:
Worldwatcher wrote:It's easier said then done I'm afraid, and terrorists can come from ALL facets of society.
That itself is not an argument to not seek societal optimization & preservation though, mental illness obviously decreases if root causes of it are eliminated or lessened, social cohesion & health used to be referred to as common sense. Crime & terrorism do not just happen without reason, there are many causes, again this is merely common sense.
If it is common sense; what then, is your solution?

Re: Knife Attack At Music Festival In Oberhausen, Germany

Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2016 1:07 am
by Worldwatcher
Zanting wrote:
Worldwatcher wrote:It's easier said then done I'm afraid, and terrorists can come from ALL facets of society.
That itself is not an argument to not seek societal optimization & preservation though, mental illness obviously decreases if root causes of it are eliminated or lessened, social cohesion & health used to be referred to as common sense. Crime & terrorism do not just happen without reason, there are many causes, again this is merely common sense.
I agree, in well functioning society, terrorism and to a lesser extent crime would be at lower rates, although, there is a fine line having between an "optimal society" and something far more dangerous...
I fear this is getting too off topic though.

Re: Knife Attack At Music Festival In Oberhausen, Germany

Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2016 1:16 am
by Zanting
jayfeather31 wrote:If it is common sense; what then, is your solution?
Take responsibility and use common sense.
Worldwatcher wrote:I agree, in well functioning society, terrorism and to a lesser extent crime would be at lower rates, although, there is a fine line having between an "optimal society" and something far more dangerous...
I fear this is getting too off topic though.
I usually do not use metaphors.

If you can imagine society as an engine block, what we used to seek as the highest ideal could be construed as the cylinder bore, but an outside force has struck a defect or fracture in our block so that if we go too far now the engine will stop working entirely. If we keep using this engine we will eventually destroy ourselves as all modifications or temporary fixes do not address the cracked foundation which holds everything together, it is not how we are or were meant to go forward, we need a new engine basically.

There isn't much to discuss with the knife attack though so I don't mind discussing this.

Re: Knife Attack At Music Festival In Oberhausen, Germany

Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2016 1:29 am
by Worldwatcher
Zanting wrote:-snip-
I've continued this in a General Discussion thread:

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=6117&p=55409#p55409

Re: Knife Attack At Music Festival In Oberhausen, Germany

Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2016 1:41 am
by Zanting
Worldwatcher wrote:I've continued this in a General Discussion thread:

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=6117&p=55409#p55409
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